The ANTENATI site and how to understand what will be uploaded.

Only ‘stato civile’ documents held by the State Archives will be uploaded.  These documents have been digitized by Family Search who has copies.

Family Search’s copies are locked for the general public and only available to members or at their Family History Centres or affiliated libraries due to the contractual arrangements with the Italian Government.

Records digitized by Family Search at the Tribunal offices or the Comune offices are not subject to this agreement and these you will find on-line and unlocked at www.familysearch.org.

The  Antenati site is owned and operated by the Italian Government’s ‘beneculturali’ division.  The State Archives hold copies of records created for civil use from 1809 (or thereabouts) until 1865.

After 1865/1870 2nd copies for all Italian Comunes were sent to the Tribunal for conservation.

Certain Tribunals have now transferred their copies to the State Archives for the period 1870 and up to 1940.  These records will be included in the antenati site.  They are also available at the Family Search History Centres.

Other Tribunals have permitted Family Search to digitize the records they hold that are NOT being transferred to the State Archives.  These records will be available on-line and unlocked at the Family Search website.

Example 1    Settefrati, Frosinone.

Go to the catalog and search for Settefrati, Frosinone.  There are 3 items available.

First item: Italia, Frosinone, Settefrati. Stato civile : Comune, 1861-1929

Settefrati (Frosinone). Ufficio dello stato civile; Settefrati (Frosinone). Ufficio dello stato civile

Click on the first item and you will be taken straight to Family Search’s website and allowed to search the unlocked records because  they were digitized on site at the Comune office in Settefrati and are not subject to the contract that Family Search has with the Beneculturali.   These records will NOT be uploaded to the Antenati site.

The second item: Italy, Frosinone, Settefrati, civil registration (Comune) = Italia, Frosinone, Settefrati, stato civile (Comune), 1866-1929  is the same thing just missing 1861-1865 and searchable at the Family Search site. These records will NOT be uploaded to the Antenati site either because they were also digitized at the Comune offices.

The third item Registri dello stato civile di Settefrati (Frosinone), 1813-1865

The ‘notes’ section tells you that they are microfilms of the original records at the State Archives. These records are locked, and only available to members or at the Family History Library.  WHY? These records are the ones held at the State Archives and subject to the contract with Beneculturali.  Eventually these records*** will be uploaded to the Antenati site in the section Archivio di Stato di Caserta.

***There are a number of ‘missing’ years in the 1813-1865 books held at the State Archives.  It’s unfortunate that the Comune did not provide these missing books to Family Search when they were digitizing the other records.  If you need them, angelresearch can get those records for you!

Example 2       ROME.

You will need to scroll down the list and find ‘CIVIL REGISTRATION’ which are the only records that have been, or will be, uploaded to the antenati site.

 Registri dello stato civile di Roma (Roma), 1810-1814, 1871-1930 Author: Roma (Roma). Ufficio dello stato civile; Archivio di Stato di Roma; Tribunale di Roma
   

Even though Family Search indicates that the Napoleonic records for 1810-1814 are digitized these are still not uploaded to the antenati site.  On the website, in the section ‘Il territorio e le fonti’ we read that the upload for the Archivio di Stato di Roma is only partially complete so these records (1810-1814) are coming!

Be patient!  There are times when the antenati site is unbearably slow and if you get a page that indicates the site is ‘off line’.  This usually means there is an overload of users.  Come back later or use the Family History Centre site.

And remember……if you find the whole thing just too confusing or frustrating angelresearch has its experts ready and waiting to help.

My next post will cover the uploads from the State Archives in Frosinone.  To be sure you don’t miss it, click on ‘follow me’ and you’ll be notified when a new post is published.

 

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6 Responses to “The ANTENATI site and how to understand what will be uploaded.”
  1. Kathleen E Lo PINTO VIGNOLINI says:

    Thanks Ann. I thought LDS was digitizing this site. But this is a good indication of what is to come & why sometimes I can’t get to a page on antenati. Unfortunately, not only are the uploads slow in coming, but antenati doesn’t have other smaller cities, like my OTranto, Lecce, Puglia. And the fact that some years are missing from the site on larger cities [Napoli], is often frustrating. Too, while LDS is doing this, why don’t they have English [etc.] translations for the “search” pages? I have to keep my Italina to English dictionary handy every time I search there.

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    • Ann says:

      Hi Kathleen, The initial pages on antenati are in English. Top right corner allows you to choose the language. Considering that this is an Italian Government site we are lucky they have given us this much. I suggest you make a list of the keywords in ‘One Note’ and keep it on the main screen at the side while you search to save you checking the dictionary each time.
      If you look at the ‘Land and the Sources’ you will see that the Archivio di Stato di Lecce is still being digitized. Go to Family Search and you will see that they have the records locked. They say it covers 1809-1900 but you won’t have access via antenati until they are uploaded by the Italian Government.

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      • Kathleen E Lo PINTO VIGNOLINI says:

        Mille grazie, Ann. So glad to be back on your mailing list. Patience is something I thought I had learned raising my 6 kids. Genealogy takes that a thousand times higher.

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  2. Susan Howard says:

    Thanks, Ann, an excellent article which answers all my questions about which records will be uploaded. Only one question – why does Filignano only have marriages for 1810 and processitti for a few years on Antenati? Where are the birth and death records?

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    • Thank you for explaining this subject (from what I have seen so far no one else has sufficiently done so). There is one town I am not clear on however; Palma Campania. The years 1809-1863 (listed under Caserta), and 1864-1865 (listed separately) both collections have been available at LDS libraries for some time and are available now at the Antenati site. I was curious however if the subsequent years (1866 and onward) have been located and if the Palma Campania records were eventually going to be uploaded to Antenati (and if so, would it be listed under Caserta or as part of modern Naples)??

      Thanks!

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      • Ann says:

        The civil records for Palma Campania after 1865 should have been sent to the Tribunale di Napoli. (Keyword search under catalog) Family search appear to have digitized some towns there but Palma Campania isn’t one of them. The town itself should have original records after 1866 which you could request from them directly. The antenati site is uploading only records held by the State Archives (at the moment anyway) which in some cases does include the Tribunal records (i.e. Frosinone) but not usually. If you need help with requests to the town or on site research done there please ask for a quote.

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